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Ep. 174: Inside the CIA: A Case Officer’s Untold Stories
Doug Patteson spent years overseas as a CIA case officer recruiting assets, running operations, and navigating a world built on secrecy and human psychology. After leaving the agency, he brought that experience into Hollywood, advising major studios on how the intelligence world actually works.In this conversation, Doug opens up about the realities of spycraft, the pressure of living a hidden life, the toll secrecy takes on families, and the lessons he carried forward into leadership, resilience, and emotional intelligence. We talk about failure, character, why good officers think differently, and how real fieldwork looks nothing like what you see on screen.This is a rare look at the human side of intelligence work from someone who lived it. https://www.instagram.com/texasspydad/ https://x.com/GrayManActualhttps://linktr.ee/Dougpatteson_____Silvercore Club - https://bit.ly/2RiREb4 Online Training - https://bit.ly/3nJKx7U Other Training & Services - https://bit.ly/3vw6kSU Merchandise - https://bit.ly/3ecyvk9 Blog Page - https://bit.ly/3nEHs8W Host Instagram - @Bader.Trav https://www.instagram.com/bader.travSilvercore Instagram - @SilvercoreOutdoors https://www.instagram.com/silvercoreoutdoors ____ TIMESTAMPS 00:00 - CIA Case Officer Shares His Untold Story00:27 - Hollywood, Field Ethos, and Experience in the Real World01:01 - Hunting in Alberta and a Windstorm That Took Out the Camp03:27 - Jet Lag, Knee Surgery, and Still Making the Hunt Happen05:05 - Tents Collapse and a Middle of the Night Escape06:40 - Learning Elk Country and the Strength of a Good Team07:39 - Too Many Hunters in the Backcountry and Finding True Remote Ground08:51 - Blaze Orange, Local Laws, and Staying Visible in the Field 10:52 - Doug’s Path Into the CIA11:47 - Analysts vs Operators and Why Doug Was an Unlikely Recruit13:34 - Thinking Differently in the Field14:24 - Living Under Cover and What It Does to Family16:34 - The Moral Weight of Secrecy18:19 - Polygraphs, Personal Choices, and Agency Tests20:53 - When Character Cracks Reveal Themselves22:07 - Why Doug and His Wife Eventually Left the Agency 23:48 - How Spies Are Recruited and What That Relationship Looks Like27:43 - Is Spycraft an Art or a Science29:05 - Lessons From the Field That Still Matter Today31:51 - Emotional Intelligence and Radical Self Awareness34:31 - Failure as a Teacher and Raising Resilient Kids35:34 - Faith, Family, and Keeping a Moral Compass Straight37:07 - Losing His Wife to Early Onset Alzheimer’s39:30 - What Hard Times Reveal About Character 41:28 - Choosing Love When Life Gets Hard43:50 - Stopping, Regrouping, and Choosing a Better Path45:24 - Being Human, Failing Forward, Resetting the Next Day47:52 - Letting Go of Failure and Moving Ahead Clean49:23 - Good, Better, Best and Remembering to Celebrate Wins51:16 - Burnout, Friends, and Iron Sharpening Iron 55:23 - What Hollywood Misses About the CIA57:30 - Conspiracies, Secrets, and What Actually Leaks01:00:33 - Mistakes, Coverups, and How Narratives Twist 01:02:12 - The Explorers Club and DefenderX01:04:35 - Amphibious Land Rovers and Journeys Nobody Has Done Before01:06:21 - How Extraordinary Teams Form 01:08:03 - Leadership Lessons From a Life in the Field01:09:20 - Capacity vs Capability and Hiring for Character01:11:27 - The Hardest Thing You Have Ever Done01:13:03 - Ethical Failures and What They Reveal01:18:22 - Hiring, Firing, and Getting People on the Right Bus01:22:32 - Necessary Endings and Knowing When Paths Diverge 01:24:12 - Wrapping Up and What’s Coming Next
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