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Antony Rotunno
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Episode 75: Lucy Letby Matters with Guy Rowland (Part 2 of 2)
We complete our talk with Guy Rowland, the creator of the ‘Botched’ series which relates to the Cheshire Police investigation of Lucy Letby and her subsequent trials. After discussing the rest of the original trial, including the issues around defence witnesses, air embolism and insulin, Antony and Guy move on to a range of topics, including two very important past miscarriages of justice. The cases of Sally Clark (which also involved Cheshire Police) and Lucia De Berk (a nurse whose conviction bears many similar hallmarks to that of Letby) should have served as cautionary tales, but did they? There are also important psychological factors involved in the Letby case that are discussed, including confirmation bias and other biases, cognitive dissonance, framing, the use of the catch-all discrediting ‘conspiracy theory’ phrase, and the weaponised use of emotion around the families of the most fragile and helpless of victims. In addition, we ponder what makes a person ‘look guilty’ or ‘look innocent’, especially if a strong preconceived idea about them is already present. Finally, we speculate about the future for Lucy Letby and the justice system itself, and Antony recounts a recent interesting experience in the world of tribalism. We hope you find this of interest. If so, please share links and tell others about it Feedback to lifeandlifeonlypod@gmail.com Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/lifeandlife75 Twitter https://twitter.com/lifeonly75 Support the show at: https://www.paypal.com/paypalme/antonyrotunno OR https://www.buymeacoffee.com/antonyrotunno Antony’s website (blog, music, podcasts, life coaching) https://www.antonyrotunno.com Antony’s John Lennon podcast https://glassoniononjohnlennon.com If you are interested in very affordable Life Coaching, or know someone who might be, you can contact Antony on lifeandlifeonlypod@gmail.com Guy Rowland’s ‘Botched’ series (3 parts) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2Ed565aCm8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikOJTE6uLoU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D4qtjitF7A Guy’s channel ‘Lucy Letby Films’ https://www.youtube.com/@LucyLetbyFilms episode links Christopher Morris’s you tube channel and book https://www.youtube.com/@LLAnalysis/featured https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/249702510 Dewi Evans vs Colin Ferguson (from the recent Channel 5 documentary) https://www.youtube.com/shorts/36YJ0b7Y1c4 Mistakes Were Made, But Not By Me (recommended book) https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/522525 The cases of Sally Clark and Lucia De Berk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sally_Clark https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucia_de_Berk_case Guy’s video on the problem of witch hunts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNl1kNysKgw Conspiracy Theory: A Powerful Phrase (previous episode of ’Life And Life Only’) https://lifeandlifeonly.podbean.com/e/episode-8-conspiracy-theory-a-powerful-phrase/ Judith Moritz on ‘Loose Woman’ (Lucy in court) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWC624utk3g&t=56s Chris Morris critiques Liz Hull and Caroline Cheetham’s interview with professor Michael Hall https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBWv1f7BxnM&t=1463s
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