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Trustless Swaps Across Bitcoin Layers | Walter Maffione SLP772
Walter Maffione, CEO and co-founder of KaleidoSwap, join me to explain how the project grew from an RGB Lightning DEX into a broader swap engine and LSP stack — Lightning as rails between Liquid, Arkade, Taproot Assets, Spark, and RGB — plus KaleidoSDK, desktop app, and browser Extension. We dig into web app and SDK integrations for merchants and unified-balance wallets, how HTLC atomicity works across layers, BOLT 12 multi-asset offers and Nostr discovery for competing providers, Bitcoin-only scope with Flashnet and Utexo bridges for external stables, and a product lineup of desktop app, browser extension, and dual SDKs. Walter also covers agentic payments via MCP plugins, self-sovereign local models with Tether’s QVAC, fee ranges around 0.5–1%, and a one-to-three-month mainnet launch path for the extension, swap provider, and web app. Timestamp: 00:00 — Intro: Walter & KaleidoSwap 00:50 — From RGB to Multi-Layer Swaps 02:14 — LSP Plus Swap Provider Stack 03:42 — Merchants, Stables, Unified Balance 05:38 — Why Swap UX Took Over Wallets 06:42 — Liquidity Ops and Mainnet Path 07:58 — AI Attacks After Boltz Shutdown 10:23 — Defending Non-Custodial Swaps 12:18 — How Atomic Swaps Actually Work 13:36 — RGB, Liquid, Arkade, Spark 14:36 — Open Spec, BOLT 12, Nostr Discovery 18:23 — Pay Anything via the SDK 19:34 — Bitcoin Layers Only + Bridges 22:05 — Desktop, Extension, Dual SDKs 25:05 — UX That Adapts to the User 26:32 — Agentic Payments and QVAC 33:22 — MCP Plugins, Keep Your Own AI 35:11 — Fees Around 0.5–1% 35:57 — Launch Timeline: Next 1–3 Months 37:05 — Find KaleidoSwap Online Links: https://x.com/bit_walt https://x.com/kaleidoswap https://docs.kaleidoswap.com/whats-kaleidoswap/introduction Stephan Livera links: Follow me on X: @stephanlivera Subscribe to the podcast Subscribe to Substack
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