Episode 777: Ejecting the Copilot?
https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/13f2c217-d068-4976-87c2-c3041fde9098.mp3?aw_0_1st.showid=71544e02-2907-4469-9412-dc8f9e306d9d&aw_0_1st.episodeid=13f2c217-d068-4976-87c2-c3041fde9098
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