8-18-24 Dan Nichols
https://anchor.fm/s/f7c8dbb8/podcast/play/90612232/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2024-7-19%2Faeac241e-329f-3489-378c-f0060855382f.mp3
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