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Feminists Prefer to Date Misogynists: The Science
In this episode of Based Camp, Malcolm and Simone revisit studies showing that men who report higher mating success (more consensual partners, perceived attractiveness) are also more likely to self-report coercive/forceful sexual behaviors — a bimodal pattern (high-success “Chads” and low-status desperate men). They argue this isn’t always genuine assault but often experienced men misreading “token resistance” in consensual kink/dominance play, or contextual factors where women don’t label or report it negatively. The Collinses contrast this with Red Pill misconceptions: women don’t crave gruff, aggressive “dread game” misogynists but rather charismatic, self-assured, ruthless-pragmatic, “fey/vampire-like” pretty-boy types (e.g., host club hosts, David Bowie, Johnny Depp, Justin Bieber archetypes) who show intense interest, build women up, and display confidence without crude dominance. They also tie in benevolent sexism (protective/pedestal beliefs) appealing more than hostile sexism, prestige over brute dominance for long-term appeal, and dark triad traits as adaptive for short-term mating but maladaptive long-term. They frame their investigation through a re-examination of their own early dating (Malcolm’s blunt/pragmatic “dread” approach, plans not to commit, pushing Simone’s career/life strategy), concluding that real attraction stems from aligned values, assertiveness, interest in her goals, and pragmatic effectiveness — not cruelty or performative misogyny. It ends casually with family interruptions and dinner plans. Episode Transcript Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] you helped me understand that I might have been significantly more dark triad in the way I treated you early in our relationship, Simone Collins: 100% more. We’ve talked about this. Malcolm Collins: Not on air. Oh Simone Collins: yeah. Malcolm Collins: I’m here like, guys, just be nice to girls. , Treat her with respect, you know, meanwhile, early in my relationship, Simon. But the point is, in the context, it sounds really bad when you go in context. Simone Collins: Explaining you, you, you’re Malcolm Collins: explain you’re Simone Collins: a human manifestation of the research case study Malcolm. Malcolm Collins: I was just explaining why li she comes to me. You gotta understand this guys. So like what I did first date, I, I could it have been considered essay by progress? Oh yeah, that’s true. Simone Collins: Yeah. Malcolm Collins: And Simone Collins: oh my god. Malcolm, what did you do? Would you like to know more? Malcolm Collins: Hello Simone. Today we are gonna be [00:01:00] going over some studies that show that women are worse than I even knew in terms of the types of partners that they go for because I told you these this morning and you were shocked. Not only do feminist women prefer more misogynistic men will go into that study but in addition to that males. Who admit to griping women are boast more popular and have more consensual sexual partners than men who do not. And so we will go over all of the studies around this, what this really means. And before I go too deep into this, what I will point out that we’re going to find with the gring behavior Simone Collins: mm-hmm. Malcolm Collins: It’s, this is more of a bimodal distribution. Oh. Which means that you see this sort of aggressive coercive sexuality in both men who are unusually successful, IE unusually popular unusually sexually successful. And you see it in men who are unusually dumb, unsuccessful see themselves as pathetic. Right. Simone Collins: That [00:02:00] makes logical sense. Yeah, I could totally see that. Malcolm Collins: I mean, it makes perfect evolutionary sense too, right? Like Simone Collins: also bad. Yes. Malcolm Collins: Yeah. The, the, well, because you’re at the top, you can get away with it, you know, impregnate as many people as possible. Yeah. You’re at the bottom. There’s no other way. You’re going to pass on your genes, so you might as well go for row. Simone Collins: Yeah. No choice but to, yeah. All, all in all or nothing. . Malcolm Collins: But what’s interesting is it, how women respond to all of this. Speaker 23: From Johnson and Hedges open. Why kids? Because I’ve gotta great you in the mouth. I’m not sure that I’m comfortable with the catchphrase. I’m gonna grape you in the mouth. For our new mascot. Malcolm Collins: The second thing that we’ll be going over with this, because I’m gonna treat this in a bit of a follow up to the episode on host clubs. Oh no. Is a lot of men see this in the Red Pill community and they misunderstand it. They think that women. Go for b******s, disproportionately uhhuh who are the male conception of [00:03:00] the b*****d. Yeah. Instead of the female conception of the b*****d and the and so they’re out there trying to act like entertain when what women go for is, not all men do, but it’s like a portion of the community that thinks that that’s, that’s. The type of b*****d you wouldn’t want. There Simone Collins: are b******s and there are b******s, Malcolm Collins: ba host, host clubs. Yeah. Yeah. If you haven’t watched the host club episode, I, I can only imagine like your typical red pillar. Simone Collins: You, you need to be a sociopath of a psychopath. No, not Malcolm Collins: exactly. Yeah. It goes up, goes up to a host and it’s one of these pretty boy host club guys, because that’s what they all look like that we pointed out. They’re all like, yeah, they’re, Simone Collins: yeah. Malcolm Collins: Twinky looking, you know, very Fay. And he’s like, I’m so tough. You know, I’m, I’m, I’m full in to the dread game. You know, sometimes when my woman talks back, I even smack her. You know, I’m, I’m a real misogynist. And then the host club guy’s like, well. That’s very interesting. And he’s like, what, what, what do you do with your women? And he is like, well, 80% of women who see me, I’ve [00:04:00] turned into sex slaves. And the guy’s like, what? For yourself? No, no, no, no. I actually sent them out to a brothel in Manila where they think most of the year they only see me for vacations and stuff like that. For the rest of the time they’re essentially slaves. And he’s like, wait, what? Like, like, wait, wait, wait. What? What? Stop. Wait, we need to stop just as guys here. How many women. Like, like 35. That’s not okay guys. Like, this is man, man to man here. Speaker: joker. Uh, it’s, it’s Bruce Wayne. Um, I just want you to know that like a normal person is under this that thinks it’s really, really bad that you do this, so stop doing it. Ugh, Batman. Simone Collins: Like, yeah. It’s, it’s, it’s a new level of like profound screwed up. Malcolm Collins: Yeah. This is, no, Simone Collins: this is like smack. Go into the kitchen and make me a sandwich. This is like, and [00:05:00] then. Malcolm Collins: And then I’ll sell your organs. Simone Collins: Yeah, my Malcolm Collins: God. But the guy’s like, but I’m so polite about it. No, but I think that this is what we’re talking about, the host, this, this sort of Faye b*****d. It’s, it’s very vampire b*****d. You know, it’s what women go for in their, their literature, but it is not the b*****d that men think that women are going for. So that’s what we’re gonna get into in this as well. Oh, and by the way, it is not uncommon even though the hosts dress up nice and everything like that to great. The women who are with them, it’s just the women don’t care or report them in the same way they do when a big gruff masculine man grapes them. Right. Because of context. Which we’ll get into why this happens as well. ‘cause it’s very interesting. We actually went a bit further on this after another episode recording that I’ll post here because it is so fun to watch Guy Thieve when they reflect on the type of man that women actually go for versus the type that the Manosphere community tells them that they go for. Malcolm Collins: I’ve been posting, and I’ll put some in the next episode about like, why [00:06:00] misjudging, what women are interested in. Oh, and I wanna put some of like David Bowie, you know? Oh God. Yeah. Like he’s a dark, sexy, Speaker 3: My baby, Malcolm Collins: or like Justin Bieber. I’m like, do you Simone Collins: Bieber? He’s a great example. Malcolm Collins: You look at who women thirst over you buffon. Like, why are you, it’s actually funny if you look at the, idols that women have thirsted over, whether it’s Prince or Michael Jackson or Justin Bieber, the b***h with, none of them have ever been buffed. Simone Collins: I know, I know. It’s, Malcolm Collins: here’s an even example. People will always point to Fabio and I’m like, I have never met a young woman who fantasized about Fabio. Okay. Simone Collins: Yeah. I don’t know. I don’t know who, who it was, who thought that he would. Appeal or Maybe he like appealed to this very specific generation. I really don’t know what’s up with that. It, it is very bizarre to me. Malcolm Collins: Have you ever met a woman who thought Fabio was attractive? Simone Collins: No. Like, I, I’ve never, never [00:07:00] categorically, no. Yeah. Lots of Johnny Malcolm Collins: dApps. Speaker 4: Paul, that’s the one Paul A stole it. Speaker 6: Not sure I deserve that. Simone Collins: Yeah. Malcolm Collins: Lots of, lots of pirates of the Caribbean, Simone Collins: you know? Hundred percent. Yeah. Lots of, Malcolm Collins: uh, lots of lokeys Speaker 8: I have never met this man in my life. He’s my brother, adopted He transformed himself into a snake and he knows that I love snakes, so I went to pick up the snake to admire it and he transformed back into himself and he was like, yeah, it’s me. And he stabbed me. We were eight at the time. Simone Collins: And, and I mean, J
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