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Proof Science Lied: Men Are An Underclass & Discriminated
In this eye-opening episode of Based Camp, Malcolm and Simone dive into a Reddit-sourced compilation of studies (verified where possible) that set out to prove discrimination against women... but uncovered the opposite: evidence of bias against men in areas like hiring, domestic violence, child custody, education, sexual victimization, and more. Episode Transcript:Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] Hello Simone. I’m excited to be here with you today. Today we are going to be going over a number of studies. That reportedly were looking into gender differences in males and females. Oh, and basically found that men have it significantly worse than women and then attempted to cover it up. Simone Collins: What? Malcolm Collins: And we’re going to be, yeah, so on the subreddit, because for people to know the base camp subreddit still, it looks like Reddit, like heavily throttled it at one point to try to block it, but it’s still huge. It’s still bigger than Asma Gold or Joe Rogan. So even with the throttling, we’re doing really well, which I love. And I regularly find great posts in it. And this was from a post in it. Where they list a number of studies and they go through how the studies try to cover things up. And then I use, I sort of try to check this with AI to see like, which of these are accurate representations of this study and where has this post of anywhere taken liberties with the information so that we can be as steelman as we can and to try to get an accurate [00:01:00] vision. Just how much the, the data is being manipulated. And I think this is what people feel like scientists are the, the, the enemy of men say white men, let’s Simone Collins: be, well you mean contemporary scientists because, Malcolm Collins: no, no, these studies go back away. These studies go back to like the eighties. Simone Collins: Okay. That’s alright. I’m thinking of the 1880s, Malcolm. They, they were pretty cool. Malcolm Collins: And I gotta Simone Collins: have a You’re pretty autistic and faab fabulous. So don’t, don’t come from a gentleman scientist. Okay. Malcolm Collins: Okay. Speaker: When is modern science gonna find a cure for a woman’s mouth? Don’t worry. That’s just a fancy doctor. Word for your brain is broken. Unfortunately, there’s no field of medicine that deals with the brain, but I can give you a pamphlet for a cult. Malcolm Collins: For Dr. Simone Collins: Spaceman Malcolm Collins: and you know, this is horrifying. I, another study I learned about that. I actually hadn’t heard about it. I don’t know how, I hadn’t heard about this from the subreddit. Mm-hmm. And I, I double checked to make sure it’s real. It’s a real study. So this [00:02:00] was a 2006 study published in Nature. And it looked at men and women playing an economic game, a version of the prisoner’s dilemma with two actors, one who played fairly and one who cheated unfairly. Participants were then placed in an FMRI scanner and observed the actors receiving painful electric shocks to their hands. Brain scans measured empathetic responses in pain related areas like the anterior insular, anterior cingulate cortex. Mm-hmm. And reward areas like the nucleus humus. Key findings when fair players non cheaters were shocked, both men and women showed activation in empathy related brain areas indicating distress or shared pain. Simone Collins: Okay. Malcolm Collins: However, when unfair players, cheaters were shocked, women still showed empathy related activation distress. But when men. Men reduced the empathy that they showed and showed some activation in their reward centers seeking pleasure from seeing the bad guy punished justice. Simone Collins: Yeah. When Malcolm Collins: we look at something and we’re like, how [00:03:00] can you want to help these scam artists? The, you know, the illegal immigrants, et cetera. Right. And because at first I’m like, well, maybe you could. Picture that they’re not actually just like purely negative actors stealing from like orphans and the poor like the Somali you know, scale. Simone Collins: Right. So you’re, you’re saying that many of the people who are we’ll say, protesting both ice arrest, but also specifically ice arrests that have been ramped up in response to widespread coverage of Somali. Daycare fraud and transport fraud. It’s not because they don’t believe the fraud is real. It’s that they still for that fraud, just as muchies Malcolm Collins: for the people who are stealing money from orphans and the poor Oh. Billions of dollars. Right. Tens of billions of dollars. They feel just as much empathy for those people mm-hmm. As they do for, well, I guess they don’t feel empathy for the people who were stolen from, because to them they’re, they’re just like faceless mops, right? Like they, they, they are Simone Collins: [00:04:00] incapable. They were the people who were stolen from they in I sometimes, yes, as long as their residents. They were, well, unless they’re not in, but that, that money was tax, Malcolm Collins: that money was earmarked for daycare centers, the poor orphans, Simone Collins: stuff like that. Right? Well, yeah, and, and for public transport and for AU autism services as well. And it’s not just that this money is being wasted. Parents of actually autistic children have a very difficult time getting past wait lists for autistic services because of things like this. So it’s, it’s very annoying. Malcolm Collins: You’re very annoying. Anyway. So, th that I thought was interesting because it gives me a better insight into what these Karens are actually thinking and why autistic women who think more like men may not have this. Mm-hmm. I’d be very interested if they did it to you, Simon. I think you would the, the, the cheaters, you wouldn’t mind them, them getting comeuppance. But I thought that was an interesting study to start here. That one was not a misreported study. Wow. So now I wanna get to the, the body of the post here. Simone Collins: [00:05:00] Okay. Malcolm Collins: All right. So studies that expect to find discrimination against women often find discrimination against men instead. Oh, by the way for the, the Reddit if anyone’s willing to be a mod, reach out to us. We need more mods for the subreddit. It helps if you are a part of the community, and we can vet you in any way to make sure you’re not gonna go crazy. Simone Collins: And thanks to those of you who did reach out and are helping. Malcolm Collins: Yeah, we just really appreciate Simone Collins: it. We, Malcolm Collins: we don’t really have rules. It’s just like, don’t get it banned. That’s a goal. So like, you know. No threatening to murder people or mention other subreddits. You can’t even mention that you were banned from other subreddits, which I didn’t realize was such a strict rule on Reddit. Simone Collins: Really? Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Oh well. So he goes, sometimes they take it gracefully and report it in their results in good faith, but other times they make excuses for it and we’ll try to cover it up. Mm-hmm. The following is they list of 13 examples ranging from hiring, discrimination, domestic violence, education discrimination, and child custody discrimination. So, a study about employment discrimination against women and [00:06:00] mothers instead uncovered discrimination against men and fathers. One study on hiring discrimination looked at the effects of marriage and parental status on a person’s hiring prospects. They expected to find discrimination against women and against mother specifically. What they found instead was that in every cohort, women were preferred over men. Whether single married, childless, or with children, instead of reporting on this novel finding, they instead went in detail about how pregnant women are often discriminated against to non-pregnant women, which they tried to frame as being sexist against women. The fact that they found that women. Where preferred over men is buried inside the body of the study buffered by Han Wavy remarks about how pregnant women still face other difficulties related to employment, Simone Collins: which Malcolm Collins: is Simone Collins: valid. Sounds like the universal basic income. Research where in the end they found that it really didn’t help people, but what they ended up reporting on was, oh, people say they feel a lot better and [00:07:00] they took more leisure time. Like they just reported the, the two things that they did find that could plausibly send the message they wanted to send, and just neglected to highlight the other elements of it. Malcolm Collins: Yeah. So this study, specifically what they’re talking here is, is Becker Fernandez and Weissmann 2019 discrimination in hiring based on potential and realized fertility evidence from a large scale field experiment, labor, economics it’s where this is published. Mm-hmm. And if you put an AI on this the AI is, is funny in the way it tries to get around it. It’s like, well. The study was more about how whether being pregnant affects these things and the other findings weren’t as important. And it’s like, okay, so this is accurate. He reported it correctly and they just were, and he, he points out that it almost sounds salty that the data didn’t come out the way they wanted to. How much they focused on just the pregnant moms. Simone Collins: Yeah. Malcolm Collins: So then a [00:08:00] study on domestic violence against women finds that men are more likely to be victims than women. A 2005 study on domestic violence wrote their entire abstract in a way that implies that domestic violence is significantly worse against women than men. But the actual body of their research reports the exact opposite of that. A fact that other researchers eventually discovered and wrote about. While not strictly about discrimination, they are guilty of expecting to find that things were worse for women
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