"You’re a gondola and I’m the stick"
https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/2ca1c329-87eb-46e0-ad80-01c5b5b73dea.mp3?aw_0_1st.showid=52ccfb99-99a2-421a-9240-1f12cd8bc7ef&aw_0_1st.episodeid=2ca1c329-87eb-46e0-ad80-01c5b5b73dea
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