Jan Rotmans (transitiewetenschapper): 'Overstap Donald Pols van Milieudefensie naar Tata Steel is briljante zet' (11 mei 2026)
https://podcast.npo.nl/file/sven-op-1/140698/jan-rotmans-transitiewetenschapper-overstap-donald-pols-van-milieudefensie-naar-tata-steel-is-briljante-zet-11-mei-2026.mp3?awCollectionid=feed-766-sven-op-1&awEpisodeid=feed-766-sven-op-1_episode-140698-WO_WNL_20340818
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