Jeroen van der Veer (oud-topman van Shell) over oliecrisis: 'De situatie was in 1979 en 2008 echt dramatischer' (30 april 2026)
https://podcast.npo.nl/file/sven-op-1/140306/jeroen-van-der-veer-oud-topman-van-shell-over-oliecrisis-de-situatie-was-in-1979-en-2008-echt-dramatischer-30-april-2026.mp3?awCollectionid=feed-766-sven-op-1&awEpisodeid=feed-766-sven-op-1_episode-140306-WO_WNL_20338686
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