Historicus Dirk Alkemade over radicale democraat Pieter Vreede, journalist Reinder Smith over oud-NAVO topman Dirk Stikker
https://podcast.npo.nl/file/wat-blijft/126303/historicus-dirk-alkemade-over-radicale-democraat-pieter-vreede-journalist-reinder-smith-over-oud-navo-topman-dirk-stikker.mp3?awCollectionid=feed-734-wat-blijft&awEpisodeid=feed-734-wat-blijft_episode-126303-WO_HUMAN_20277392
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