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Uncovered: Sinwar's 10/7 Masterplan - with Ronen Bergman
Support American Friends of Israeli Navy Seals: AFINS.us/warriorcare Register here for the Live Call me Back event at the Streicker Center on Thursday Oct 23: https://t.co/Y5tCz9uXwo Ronen Bergman and Adam Rasgon’s piece in The NYT: https://bit.ly/475B5nF Ilan Benatar’s essay on Sinwar’s plan: https://medium.com/@ilanbenatar/the-story-is-the-war-f6482ab94c1f Subscribe to Inside Call me Back: https://inside.arkmedia.org Gift a subscription of Inside Call me Back: http://inside.arkmedia.org/gifts Subscribe to Amit Segal’s newsletter ‘It’s Noon in Israel’: https://arkmedia.org/amitsegal/ Watch Call me Back on YouTube: youtube.com/@CallMeBackPodcast Check out Ark Media’s other podcasts: For Heaven's Sake: https://lnk.to/rfGlrA‘What’s Your Number?’: https://lnk.to/rfGlrAFor sponsorship inquiries, please contact: callmeback@arkmedia.org To contact us, sign up for updates, and access transcripts, visit: https://arkmedia.org/ Ark Media on Instagram: https://instagram.com/arkmediaorg Dan on X: https://x.com/dansenor Dan on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dansenor To order Dan Senor & Saul Singer’s book, The Genius of Israel: https://tinyurl.com/bdeyjsdn Today’s Episode: On today’s episode, we are joined by Israeli journalist and Call me Back veteran Ronen Bergman. Ronen recently published a piece for the New York Times titled “A Memo in a Bunker, Intercepted Communications and Hamas’ Oct. 7 Plans,” in which he and his co-author Adam Rasgon discuss a recently uncovered six-page memo from August of 2024, which Israeli officials believe was written by Yayha Sinwar, the leader of Hamas in Gaza and main architect of the October 7 massacre. Dan and Ronen discuss how this memo – as well as other documents discovered earlier in the war – shed light onto Hamas’s goals in launching the attack, and whether, in retrospect, they succeeded. (00:00) - Introduction (07:23) - Sinwar’s memo recently discovered in Gaza (09:45) - How Hamas meticulously documented its activity (12:42) - How do we know this was written by Sinwar? (13:51) - What this document directed Hamas forces to do (15:15) - Hamas terrorists ordered to record and broadcast their crimes (20:20) - Sinwar’s strategy behind broadcasting October 7 (26:03) - What Sinwar got right, and what he got wrong (28:53) - How Hamas activated support worldwide (33:39) - 10 Hamas protocols obtained by the IDF in January, 2024 (37:25) - How Hamas managed to deceive Israel (38:43) - How Hamas chose the date of October 7, 2023 (42:47) - Collaboration between Hamas in Doha and in Gaza (44:33) - Sinwar’s goal of igniting regional war (46:17) - Disrupting Saudi normalization and releasing Palestinian prisoners (49:04) - Sinwar succeeded at terrifying Israelis (50:46) - The next phase in Gaza will determine the outcome of the war CREDITS: ILAN BENATAR - Producer & Editor ADAAM JAMES LEVIN-AREDDY - Executive Producer MARTIN HUERGO - Sound Editor MARIANGELES BURGOS - Additional Editing MAYA RACKOFF - Operations Director GABE SILVERSTEIN - Research YUVAL SEMO - Music Composer
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