a quick programming note!
https://anchor.fm/s/1fca7de8/podcast/play/26862615/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2021-1-17%2F34ebc957-7a2a-b5f0-d350-04a3d85e235d.mp3
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