Rick Mitchell (Ellen, TMZ, author How to Write a Funny Speech)
https://anchor.fm/s/21d579e4/podcast/play/99661249/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2025-2-10%2Fa0ad2b6f-179f-c689-21d2-fa58444d6732.mp3
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