episode 18 - the industry is always changing
https://anchor.fm/s/20052f4c/podcast/play/72870321/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2023-6-1%2F337628242-44100-2-dfd9cacf5ec93.m4a
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