Raymond Chang and Kara Powell on the Future-Focused Church
https://anchor.fm/s/2506a78c/podcast/play/107810102/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2025-8-4%2F406869402-44100-2-f659de7dea71c.m4a
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