Jack Butcher - Visualize Value!
https://anchor.fm/s/109410dc/podcast/play/51445081/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2022-4-3%2Fe8564328-f0dc-6dfd-ecfe-1bf9336d12a3.mp3
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