Tom Swarbrick asks, should pensioners who don't need government help get it?
https://dax.captivate.fm/3457120d-47a3-4ef9-9f48-274754f76470/00d5f369-cefe-4d3b-90a2-cf77556cb241.mp3?aw_0_1st.showid=1d83133f-eeeb-473e-8d8d-0539f94cb6db&aw_0_1st.episodeid=b259a83c-4ca7-47b1-91b3-d5657762662f
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