#5: The indie way with Kate Kendall
https://anchor.fm/s/9806f20/podcast/play/3730791/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fproduction%2F2019-6-1%2F17940400-44100-2-50d8bd3e5bd5e.mp3
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