Is this Curtis' FIRST rejection?!
https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/c6ba5051-96a7-40cc-9186-76df234e9a39.mp3?aw_0_1st.showid=48d6074a-8104-40a3-b023-d5edbb65a909&aw_0_1st.episodeid=c6ba5051-96a7-40cc-9186-76df234e9a39
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