VVD & GL-PvdA, (niet zo) ingewikkeld
https://podcast.npo.nl/file/de-dag/132786/vvd-gl-pvda-niet-zo-ingewikkeld.mp3?awCollectionid=feed-123-de-dag&awEpisodeid=feed-123-de-dag_episode-132786-WO_NOS_20301784
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