Frénk van der Linden: "de logica is eigenlijk: alleen maar scoren"
https://podcast.npo.nl/file/de-mediacast/116350/frenk-van-der-linden-de-logica-is-eigenlijk-alleen-maar-scoren.mp3?awCollectionid=feed-114-de-mediacast&awEpisodeid=feed-114-de-mediacast_episode-116350-WO_KN_20231868
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