Dingen benoemen, metaforen en een composthoop
https://podcast.npo.nl/file/de-stemming-van-vullings-en-van-der-wulp/116017/dingen-benoemen-metaforen-en-een-composthoop.mp3?awCollectionid=feed-102-de-stemming-van-vullings-en-van-der-wulp&awEpisodeid=feed-102-de-stemming-van-vullings-en-van-der-wulp_episode-116017-WO_AT_20230724
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