30 Oktober 2023 dengan Gofar Hilman
https://anchor.fm/s/5667b3c/podcast/play/77907498/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fproduction%2F2023-9-30%2F353308938-48000-2-4b8c584b13a4d.mp3
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