16 Oktober 2023 dengan Ferry Irwandi
https://anchor.fm/s/5667b3c/podcast/play/77277585/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fproduction%2F2023-9-16%2F351337875-48000-2-50a726a638f3b.mp3
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